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The Writing Gig I Almost Had (and why you should say yes to things)

Last month I was invited to write about podcasts. For a website that you’ve heard of. I won’t say who because it didn’t work out. No hard feelings, these things happen. But the important part of this story is I was offered the chance to do this. And it was a paying gig. The emerging writer’s unicorn.

Like a lot of opportunities, it came along disguised as a coincidence (my mom didn’t believe in coincidences, so every single time one comes along I think of her.) I happened to meet this person through some online networking, she happened to mention that the company she worked for was looking for a writer. By coincidence.

She was looking for a writer to write about podcasts. Awesome. She wanted someone who could create regular content and regularly listen to podcasts. No problem. Sounds just like me. They were focusing on podcasts for millennial women entrepreneurs. Um. Wait. What?

I’m not really a millennial. Depending on which demographics you read, millennials were born somewhere around 1980 to 2000. The years vary slightly, so sometimes I get included but at the age of…let’s just say I’m closer to 40 than 30…I’m not really who people who use the word “millennial” are talking about. I am also not an entrepreneur, although as you’re going to see I learned a few things about myself in this process. Long story short: I was so not the target audience for this. And while I knew I could get the podcasting part right, I was not at all sure about the millennial women entrepreneurs part. My instinct was to say no.

But they were offering me money to write! A paying gig with a website you and people I know have heard of! It was not in my writer DNA to turn it down. So I faked it. I said, well, I’m not a millennial but this sounds like a fascinating project and agreed to write a couple of sample pieces. I downloaded a bunch of podcasts aimed at millennial women entrepreneurs and pretended I knew what I was doing.

And you know what? It was awesome. The shows were fun. One of the first episodes I listened to was about becoming a freelance writer. Cue ta-da! noise here. Of course writing is a business, although we creative types don’t usually think that way. I found a couple of podcasts I plan on listening to again and a couple that I will definitely recommend to others. A few weren’t my thing. It happens. I was able to tie it all together and create some work I was proud of.

I made a conscious decision to sound like myself. I had been told I was chosen to try this out because they liked my writing as seen on this blog, and my writing as seen on this blog is not formal. I got the sense from them that they didn’t know exactly what they wanted, so I decided to make it personal because I felt that connection with readers is what they were looking for. I may have been wrong. I have no way of knowing. I was told I was a very talented writer and they had decided to go a different way.

Any regrets? Not a one! I am so glad I didn’t say no right way when I found out the topic. I learned about new things, practiced new writing skills, and emerged with different experiences. Is my ego bruised they didn’t want me in the end? Maybe a little but it won’t crush me. If getting rejected by one publication was enough to crush me, I am in the wrong business. Their rejection was very kind. I try not to read too much into it. I’m reading through a pile of submissions tonight and I’ll be sending some rejections myself. Probably to some talented writers when I decide to go a different way. I write that letter all the time. (No, I don’t. I have a template.)

Where does my fledgling career a a freelance writer go from here? I’m not sure, to be honest. But I know I will have my eye out for coincidences.

Happy writing,




So it turns out I’m in the paper…thoughts on 21st Century Intellectual Property

I can hear your eyes rolling right now. Oh, Lord. I think Kris is going to go librarian on us.

Intellectual property is so not a sexy term. But every time you think, hey, I should get paid for what I do, you’re talking about intellectual property. Because if you don’t own it, everybody does, so what would be the point of paying you?

I woke up this morning to learn I’d been tagged in a Tweet. Everybody likes that, right? Free publicity! I thought it might be because I’m being featured this week, more on that in a moment. But it turns out I was tagged because I had contributed a story to something called “The Podcaster’s Daily.” Usually when I contribute to something, I remember doing it, but in this case I had never heard of this paper (it was referred to as a paper.) It turns out they had picked up the blog post I wrote yesterday and stuck it in the arts and leisure section of this “paper.” My title was there, and then my photo (which appears nowhere on this blog, meaning they lifted my link off Twitter,) with a note “Shared by Kris Baker Dersch.”

Now, I want to make one thing abundantly clear: “The Podcaster’s Daily” did NOTHING wrong and I am not angry with them. The “paper,” as it turns out, is a collection of links, organized like a newspaper page. When you read the little excerpt of my piece, if you want to read more you click on it and land right here. It’s no different than what the WordPress reader or a hundred other aggregators do every day.

So what gave me pause? I’m not sure, honestly. I think it’s just the loose definitions of everything. Once upon a time I knew what a paper was, and people who contributed to one and were named as authors expected to be paid. These things just aren’t as clear anymore. Anyone can start a paper like this and curate whatever content they want, and any blogger putting their writing out on the Internet for all to read can find it posted and excerpted pretty much anywhere. This was supposed to be the great thing about the Web, right? All the connections? Dude, I’m starting to sound old.

I guess it keeps coming back to this conversation…who does get paid to write? Are we past the era of the traditional journalist, and can the end of the traditional author be far behind? Somehow I never thought I would be the one asking how authors get paid…it always sounded like such a whiny conversation to me. But the more threads I pull, the bigger this knot is and I’m in it somehow. I don’t know how I got there.

So check out “The Podcaster’s Daily,” and let me know what you think. And do drop by the blog of Libsyn, our marvelous podcast host who are featuring us this week on their “Rockin’ Libsyn Podcast” feature. I appreciate the shout-outs and the opportunities, after all. More listeners, more readers, more impact. Its the author’s dream.

Happy writing,


The Old Craft v. Business Conversation

I have so much to say today that I’m about to get super ranty.

First, I’m currently on my second listen of the new episode of She Podcasts. This is a podcast aimed at women podcasters, but the conversation they have is very on point for self-published writers and indie content creators of all stripes. One of the hosts got started talking about whether is okay that professional podcasters (the NPR types) get all the attention and space. The question is if what they are doing is different than what we as indie producers are doing. Listen here, to get right to the conversation I’m referring to, start at right about the 60 minute mark and listen to the last 10 minutes. I think this is a really important conversation to have. In the world of traditional and self publishing, is it a competition or separate space?

Then I found this delightful post saying that only 40 of Amazon’s self-published authors are “successful.” Yes, you read that right. And since Amazon’s Kindle store is the biggest self-publishing e-book platform, well, you can see where I’m going with this.

The commenters on this and other blogs on the issue immediately pointed out a flaw in the number: success here is defined as selling a million e-books in five years and that’s a pretty high bar to clear. Plenty of traditionally published authors aren’t doing nearly that, especially in the world of literary fiction where books come out slower and tend to not sell as well. But it’s still not a fun statistic to read. Maybe it isn’t really possible to make a living as an author. I’ve asked before on this blog if you really have to give up your day job to be a writer, and it frustrates me is that no one tells the truth about this. When you say you are writing a novel, all the people in your life assume that you will quit your day job when it is published and if not you have failed. Well, you and everyone else, it turns out. Or everyone else minus forty.

So all this was swirling in my head as I sat down to record an upcoming episode of the podcast…and then I sank into it with delight. Such great stuff is coming, such powerful storytelling, and I was thinking about how much more there is to this telling of story than words on a page. Words on a page are important…wouldn’t be who and what I am without them…but they aren’t story. Story is everywhere, and story needs to be celebrated.

Early in my librarian career I heard a very well-meaning instructor on early literacy tell a roomful of children’s librarians that “we need to teach children that stories come from books.” I think I may have actually snorted. Stories don’t come from books. Now, few people love books more than I do. I’m kind of a book hoarder and as I’ve said before I sort of want to be Meg Ryan with my own bookstore. But stories come from books?! That’s like saying Grandma’s chicken soup comes from the big pot with the crack on its lid.

Stories are everywhere. They are all around us, all the time. A friend of mine has a toddler, great kid, just starting to talk, but oh, man can he tell stories. You can’t understand them, they are in his own language, but they are stories to be sure.

I’m not a football fan, but I do live in the Seattle area, and the Seattle area has a well-known athlete who participates in that sport I don’t like so much. He’s known for his reticence to speak out loud. You may remember him. At a press conference. Saying enough not to get fined. And while he got widely criticized for that, I find myself admiring him. In a world of over-sharing, taking a stand to not say everything that comes into your head seems somehow brave.

What does he have to do with all this? Well, today he announced his retirement. With no words at all. In one image he told his story his way. Now me, I use words to share my message and if you’ve been reading this blog long you know that I really kind of suck at pictures. But it’s always nice to remember that there is a world of stories going on that have nothing to do with words on a page.

That’s the business we are in. The capturing stories business. And yeah, who publishes them and how they get to those who consume them is a very important conversation to have and we should keep having it, but I guess for me today ends as it so often does: with the reminder that the most important thing I do is focus on my content: what I am writing, recording, creating. Because if it isn’t the very best I have in me how it gets to you isn’t going to matter one bit. So back to my recording studio I go.

Happy writing,



The Ugly Truth of Publishing & How BEST to Support Writers

We are a non-paying market, asking writers to give us their work for free. We also get paid not a dime for what we do. As a 21st century writer, it is harder than ever to get paid and this beautiful outline of the traditional publishing model tells us why. But we are not alone. Musicians, photographers, visual artists…they are all trying to figure out how to get paid.
What do you think? Can you make a living as a writer? Do you count on your readers to help you out as the finances get tighter? And maybe the toughest question of all: does the literary community owe you anything? I don’t know what to make of this…tell me your thoughts!

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Original Image via Flickr Creative Commons, courtesy of Anurag Agnihotri Original Image via Flickr Creative Commons, courtesy of Anurag Agnihotri

Well, I figure I have one more day to drunkenly torch my platform. Sad thing is I don’t drink. I am apparently this stupid when sober 😛 . Actually I am writing this as a follow up for my rant from the day before yesterday, because knowledge is power.

Writers need this. Your friends and families need this. Readers need this. The more people get how this industry works, the more everyone can start working together for everyone’s benefit.

In my book Rise of the Machines—Human Authors in a Digital World, I go into a LOT more detail and I highly recommend you get a copy if you don’t have one. I spend the first chapters of the book explaining how the various forms of publishing work so you can make an educated decision.

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Indie Authors: Why Librarians Hate You Even Though They Don’t Know You

I posted this tweet this morning and it got some attention, so I wanted to expand on it a little bit here.

Challenge: Love to support indie and self published writers, but I still get most of my books from the library. What to do?

So here’s what was going on there: Was scrolling through my Twitter feed, saw a book referenced, probably a re-tweet from the author. Doesn’t matter what book, it happens all the time, but I did what I do when a book sounds interesting, which is hop onto my library’s website to put it on hold.

A little about me: I was a professional librarian for 10 years: 6 years in public libraries large and small and 4 years in an elementary/middle school library. I am on a hiatus from working as a librarian right now while I’m home with my toddler, but I am a certified librarian with a Master’s degree in library science (yup, that’s a thing) and will always think of myself as a librarian. These days, though, I place my holds and use the library like any other patron.

When the book wasn’t in my library’s catalog, I headed over to, which is a global library catalog to see what libraries do have it. By this time, I suspected that like a lot of self-published books it is not widely available in libraries and I was right: it is owned by two public libraries, neither of them in my state, probably near where the author lives (kudos to that author for getting the books into their local library.)

I now have three options: I can ask my library to interlibrary loan it (one of the library’s most underrated services: your library can get you just about anything you want if you are willing to wait for it, it is often free, just ask), I can buy it (which is why it appeared on my Twitter feed in the first place, I get that), or I can forget the whole thing.

Truth? I’m probably going with option 3. I read a LOT, there are a lot of books out there, and I get most of mine from the library because I have neither the budget nor the shelf space to buy everything I read. I usually have more books than time, so I’m probably going to forget this book entirely and move on. Which is kind of a shame. But here’s my big secret: I’ve actually come a long way.

Confession time: I have a librarian’s automatic prejudice against self-published books.

…and odds are, your librarian does, too.

I know. It’s not fair. Why are they judging your book before they even see it? Why does Big Publishing get the automatic in just because they are Big Publishing?

Answer: way too many bad self-published books out there.

This is getting long, I know, but let me digress for a minute and talk about my life as a podcaster. When I started podcasting, I loved podcasts. That’s why I wanted to get into it. What I did not realize until I really started interacting with podcasters and getting involved in the community is that I was automatically biased against indie podcasters. Sounds weird, right? I mean, podcasting is this alternative media that most people don’t know about anyway, so how could there be indie podcasters? Isn’t everybody an indie podcaster? Nope. Turns out there are a whole lot of people that aren’t produced by NPR or a “mainstream” media company or promoted by a big podcasting network. Remember how “Serial” was such a big deal and everybody was saying, look, we found this podcasting thing that no one had heard of before and it’s really great, look we are so different? Nothing wrong with “Serial,” but it is an NPR product. Mainstream media.

So I dove headfirst into indie podcasts and found some great ones. If you’re interested, you should check some out. I’ll list a few of my faves on the bottom of this post. But, like indie anything, there are also some really bad ones. Really bad. Like can’t talk near the mic, rambling endlessly, not edited, don’t go near it kind of bad. Because it’s 2015 and anybody can be a producer of anything. Which is great. Unless you are terrible.

The following situation has happened to every single librarian: You’re hard at work, trying to do, you know, your job, and this thing lands on your desk. A large manila envelope that you didn’t ask for from an author you’ve never heard of complete with a long letter (they are always long.) The cover art looks like it was done by one of your students (and not even the best artist), the blurb is off, the whole thing looks like it was bound in the bindery you have for student work, and you don’t have time to deal with it. So it gets dumped in the book sale box or the teacher free stuff box or wherever you put stuff you want to make go away. And, if no one claims it from there, it gets dumped in the recycle bin.

Librarian secret: librarians are not sentimental about books as objects. Readers are. Writers are. Librarians know books get wet, get left under the cat’s litter box (true story,) fall apart, get lost, are bad and no one reads them, or get outdated and have to be thrown away. Did you know that you can’t recycle a book with its hard cover on? They get ripped off.

So when someone, even your best friend (or your best friend’s dad, true story) tells you they are going to self-publish something, you wince because you think of those really bad books.

I know what you’re thinking: I didn’t even read it. And I ask you: why would I? If that author didn’t spend the money on decent cover art or a good quality binding, I bet cash money they didn’t spend it on an editor either. Face facts, guys, we DO judge books by their covers.

Remember those great indie podcasts I was talking about? (That list is coming, I promise.) There are awesome self-published books out there, too. I know this. I’ve seen them. I’ve read them. Because I realized I was being stupid and prejudiced. But I also don’t read, or certainly don’t buy, self-published books on spec. They have to be recommended by a source I trust. I’m wary.

There are three big things standing in the way of your book breaking into the library once you get beyond the bad cover/bad writing/bad binding issue (get an editor, get a graphic designer, know who is doing your binding, do your homework, people!) And I’m just talking about physical books right now. E-books are a whole different entity and while the number checked out from libraries is growing exponentially, the library is not going to carry your self-published e-book. It just isn’t. Their e-books are bought in packages from the publishers, it’s a terrible deal for them, and that’s how it goes. If you can figure out a system for mass checkout of a massive number of e-books by libraries for a reasonable price, get that patent right now because every library would buy it but it isn’t an option. Physical books, however, still account for a huge portion of book sales and libraries and schools still account for a huge portion of that, so it is worth paying attention to your physical book, especially in children’s markets. So here are those three things:

  1. It is more expensive and more time-consuming for libraries to stock self-published books. Books from Big Publishing come with computer records all ready for library catalogs. Sometimes they even come shelf-ready, with the bar codes and stuff already on them. For self-published titles, those things have to be created and/or prepared by hand.
  2. Self-published books are overwhelmingly paperback. That’s fine for fiction, but paperback nonfiction or children’s picture or early reader books just don’t stand up in a library collection. They aren’t worth the trouble. I actually had a selector once spend the money to have paperback children’s books rebound by a book binder because she believed in that book’s potential (local author with a great and original subject.) The binding cost about $14 per book. Just the binding. Of an 8 book series she wanted to stock at 8 of our system’s libraries. It’s going to be hard to convince libraries to spend that. Also, small city libraries with just a branch or two may buy one copy of something, but most libraries won’t. It isn’t worth the money to put into it if you only have one copy.
  3. It is really hard to get your self-published book reviewed in a reputable source. I’m not talking about goodreads or your Amazon reviews or even your blurbs by well-known authors. I’m talking about what reviewer in a publication or on a website your librarian has heard of is reviewing your title? Know how a lot of librarians select? They go through the review journals and just start circling. Again, time is a factor here. They aren’t going to seek you out.

Now for the end of this blog post, the place where I give all the answers. The truth? I don’t have answers. That’s why my tweet was phrased as a question. I know there’s an issue. I’m a huge supporter of libraries and they are still a way a lot of readers find books, but as the publishing landscape changes there’s this whole sector of books not being included. Some of that is the market at work, and until the percentage of indie stuff out there that is really bad starts to decrease a little bit a lot of good stuff is going to continue to get passed over. But ignoring the whole sector of the market can’t be the answer.

I have a question for you, oh readers of this long blog post: Do you care? Does your book appearing in libraries make a difference to you? Do you think you reach more readers that way? Do you think the same barriers are in place for bookstores, either indie or chain? What are your marketing priorities? Honestly, as someone not right now working in the library, I really want to know.

Oh, yes, and before I go, that short list of indie podcasts I promised. These are some of my faves that I think my readers and listeners might like:

  1. The Slumberland podcast. This is seriously my favorite thing I have found in the last week. I’m rationing this out because they don’t come out that often and I don’t want to run out. I can’t find a website, but search it in iTunes or your favorite podscast app, it’s there. A sound technician is sent to collect an oral history on a fictional island in the Great Lakes region. It’s a unique kind of storytelling and it is fantastic.
  2. Songs Inside: Songs for the Second Sex. Beautiful spoken word stories. You have to hear the episode about the woman going over Niagara Falls in a barrel, I think it’s episode 2? Wonderful production quality and just good storytelling.
  3. Brain Burps About Books. This is a MUST listen for authors about marketing yourself and building your platform, a fantastic resource for any author. She’s a professional author herself and has been podcasting a long time.
  4. Regular readers and listeners have heard me rave about The Catapult Podcast before, but I would be remiss if I didn’t mention them: bringing real NYC author readings right to you, wherever you are, and showcasing the best in new writing.
  5. UPDATE! I knew as soon as I posted this I would stumble across something amazing, and I did. If you are a mom, a woman, a fan of NPR-style podcast documentaries, or really a person who likes conversation, you have to check out First Day Back, the podcast about a freelance filmmaker mom’s return to work after becoming an “accidental stay-at-home-mom.”

Please tell me what you think of all this! I’m still trying to answer all these questions and would love your feedback!

Happy reading and happy listening,


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